Which is better Progressivism of Conservatism?

I think I've had a lifetimes fill of this topic, don't you agree? This site is getting completely bombarded by this. It's getting ridiculous.


  • Socialism is better I guess. Liberals aren't progressive, its just a propaganda tool same as every marine is a rifleman. If liberals are progressive then why are they rioting and antifa attacking conservatives and blocking traffic and all that crap? Does this sound like progress? They can't even process the fact that they lost the elections. When liberals ruled American under Obama for 8 years you didn't see us rioting and burning cars and looting and what not.

    Liberalism means you get free stuffs for not working.

    Conservative/ republican means if you work hard you can have your piece of the American dream.

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    Take another look at the posts in this forum. If you take the sheer volume of your posts, the highly divisive language you choose, and the fact that the election has been long over, it kind of adds up to you not being able to accept something. I'm not sure what that is considering Trump won the election. Whatever it is, I hope you find some sense of peace soon.

    I get it- you have deep-seated difference with the left (and apparently anyone caught in the no-man's land that is now the center)... and that's fine. You're entitled to your opinion. You have a different world view. Once again, you're granted this by the first amendment, and, if you're residing on US soil, this is regardless of citizenship, race, creed, or sexual preference. You are completely within your rights to have such beliefs. Having said that- the opposition happens to bear the same rights given by that same amendment.

    We need to be occasionally reminded one of the big reason why the forefathers departed Europe and what they were in search of. A large number of the emigrants were fleeing persecution by Europe- persecution because they were different. Difference was mainly religious preference, but the fact remains that differences and the resulting persecution drove a large portion of the diaspora. Today's laws are a reflection of the continuing push to fully realize the vision that gave birth to the USA. This brings me back to your comment on liberals, libertarians (which I happen to be), and "fagots". In the days before the founding these terms could be substituted with Puritan, Irish (at a later date), and Protestant (non-Catholic and/or non-Anglican). To flee persecution and found a country only to persecute others is not crazy. Nope, it's not ridiculous. It's hypocritical.

    Your definition of the two movements is uninformed, divisive, and an indication of your unwillingness to accept ANYTHING that does not conform to your belief set.

    Consider if I replied with the definitions below:

    Liberalism is open, inclusive culture.
    Conservatism is racism, bigotry, xenophobia, and furthering the class divide.

    That wouldn't be fair to say, would it? No. So how is what you characterize as liberalism and conservatism fair?

    I think you may want to examine more closely your posts. They are by and large, hypocritical, racially and socially divisive, seem to continue on the rhetoric of an election that has been long over, and, in my humble opinion in need of something to calm your nerves. You served like a lot of us, right? Try going for a long run. That might calm you down.

    "... Give me your tired, your poor, Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free..."
  • A liberal will reply the same way you did. But thanks for progressive view on the subject.
  • PawnStar,

    That's a very oddly placed reply. It isn't a "view". You can take inventory of your posts and the contents of those posts yourself- they are "accurate" and not "views".

    The rest is for your benefit-educationally.

    You're welcome.
  • @xectems you are not the first veteran/POG to say those things to me. All the liberals that I've ran into in this forum who are veterans were all POGs during their time in the green machine.
  • Hey now @xectms, let's not get too liberal here :) Since I'm usually on the progressive side and strongly push for change, I'd like to also point out my conservative views. It all comes to the small things such as preserving our language and the old ways. Let's talk about farming and the old school canoe houses. I'm not sure it's superstitious but I believe we should still separate the male and female work space to preserve the gender role part of our culture...then again maybe not! I'm joking, I have nothing against conservatism as long as there's the "other side".

    The claim that liberals don't work for what they have is plain false. Go out and take a survey. The volume of high paying tech individuals out there are liberals and so does most of the science and the academic communities. I also know of gay liberal lawyers in Micronesia.

    PS, your reference to POG and Vets in here is a disgrace to their time of service. Please leave them all out of this conversation and make generalization over people who served. You making green to Gold doesn't really show any value to what you say. Look at yourself stumbling over your own words and can't come up with a simple direct conversation. We are not attacking you. We all are giving you a helping hand expressing yourself. I suggest you pick up a shovel and go dig a ditch to do some hard labor to have purpose other than spamming this forum and coming up with nonsensical illusions of what you think is right. If you think you're right, then the whole world is wrong... what is wrong with that picture?
  • I said vet pogs. And yeah they always lean liberal. That's what happens when you go through the soft pipeline/BCT. That's what happens when no sense of duty, country and honor and traditions aren't instilled in pogs when they go through the so called basic combat training they go.
  • Progressive or Liberalism are folks or an ideal believe that stand for everything and everyone. Whereas Conservatives?
  • We believe in the same believes as the left but not to an extent of everything. For example the left believe everyone should get a free ticket to college, conservative on the other hand believe that you have to earned a spot/ticket to college.

    Things that conserves really believe in are that there is a god, marriage is between a man and a women, the right to bear arms, federal gov should not interfere with states govs, well regulate militias and national guard units, strong military, less federal government interference with the economy, pro-life which means abortions.

    The left yes, does stand up for everything. Even if it mean forgetting their own morals.

    "He who defend/stand for everything defend/stand for nothing"
  • lol...check your moral compass. It's pointing east, not north! You don't even understand what morals are in the first place. What is morally right to you is NOT right, it's perspective, religion, family, education, science and culture....maybe some more factors that creates individuals moral compass. You know, the monks in Vietnam protested against the war and one actually burn himself alive in front of the troops.

    You are talking about a lifetime of dedication lit up in flames for a war many of you conservatives believe it's your "DUTY" to liberate their people. Gosh... I just remembered, you can't comprehend these statements. I'll scurry off to sweep and mob the floor or my day will be totally worthless :)
  • Fact check!

    Buddhist monk Quang Duc publicly burns himself to death in a plea for President Ngo Dinh Diem to show “charity and compassion” to all religions. Diem, a Catholic who had been oppressing the Buddhist majority, remained stubborn despite continued Buddhist protests and repeated U.S. requests to liberalize his government’s policies. Not the war!

    Don't twist the facts to fit your view lindy.

    Another fact check!
    all of the major U.S. wars in the 20th century—World War I, II, Korea and Vietnam—were entered by Democratic administrations. Harry Truman, a Democrat, is still the only world leader to use a nuclear bomb on a population. And with the exception of World War II, where almost all anti-war sentiment collapsed after Pearl Harbor, these wars were entered over the objections of the left wing of the Democratic Party. But while the presence of that left wing has guaranteed that anti-war liberals rally to the Democratic side, it not yet stopped a Democratic administration from going to war.
  • It's a religious war that shouldn't started another US arm-strong in the first place. Even with intervention, the country is now more corrupt and extreme as ever. Don't add to history the little "we fix" nonsense. I'm sure you just think of Rambo when you think of that war.

    The monk in this story was a true conservative btw. It's a random act of conservatism that you should remember. It's very touching for all us and liberals to see. We don't need to google this to remember who he was or do a fact check. Now isn't that a great piece of conservatism history you should keep? You're welcome.

    Why should I care about the democratic party? It's a whole hoax to convince you that you're on "their side". Look at the subject. Conservatism or Progressivism. These two have nothing to do with political parties. Are you sure you're looking at the right dictionary?
  • Religious war? The hell you talking about?

    Buddhist aren't conservatives. The very meaning Buddhism is to detached oneself from wordly problems. Don't twist the facts.

    The US is having a dilemma right now because you libetarts can't get over the lost of November.
  • Okay...i don't say this enough in my life but I'll quit the cycle of insanity you have before I fall and hit my head at the corner of my desk. Your argument has always been conservative for what is already here or what should remain. The point of the story was a rare conservative act. (Hands up in the air) I give up. You're all wrapped up in Trump's hair and probably suffocated yourself now and then. Relax...open your ears....listen...maybe reflect and then respond.
  • Don't mind my ignorance but what is a pog?
  • Buddhists are pacifist. Look it up. For someone who claim to be educated you are ignorant. You never answer my question as to why this is a religious war. Defer defer defer defer. That's all you know. Cause you are a women don't mean ill go soft on you. I don't subscribe to political correctness daily, Ms. Lindy.

    Im not a fan of Trump but he is not given his fair time in your media. A media that is liberal oriented. Everything he says and do is covered. If he was a democrat it wouldn't happen.

  • Anunaki, a pog is a person other than grunt. A support. Behind the rear. Folks with a combat action badge or with a combat badge with no rifle or knife award. Bob from the FOB. With cool kits and acog but never shoot at the enemy or get shot from the enemy. Rear echelon mother fundays (Hahaha). Like these 2 here.
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