What's your thought on this poll about our navigation?
Stupidest poll ever.
Culture appropriation thats why. One people one ocean so how can they steal each others thing? The ocean does not separate us, it unites us.
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/Agree with you 100%.All seaferers worldwide are equally amazing.Its just there are those who'd boast and rub it onto others.Its equivalent to Stephen hawking's quote "Those who boast about their IQs are losers".
For those who doesn't know(which we all should by now).Mau Pialug was undoubtfully a true master navigator.The greatest islander who's ever lived.Without him the Polynesian reanaissance would've been meaningless.With no one else to teach navigation in their region as its all been lost/forgotten/distorted due to colonialism and christianity.They turned to Microensia.There in the outlier of Yap on an island of Satawal Master Pialiug was found.From there he's given the knowledge to the pollies regaining their lost tradition.This sense of pride and achievement spread throughout their islands.Today most Polynesian way finding are all based off The Yapese star compass.His story is passed down from generation and will continue to do so.Books are being made as well with movies(like the recent Disney's Moana that displays his navigational techniques).
His last wish was for us all to not forget who we are.We must preserve our ways of life.For our future grandchildren to look back and have pride in.
(Quick side history-They turned to the Marshallese for guidance prior of finding Mau but we turned them down as our secrecy of Way finding was never to be broken).
With such admiration for him I've started to write a book mainly about his star compass.
PawnStar.....your spewing a whole lot of PC bullshit. The so called "Ancient Hawaiian Navigation" is a mixture of modern navigational methods, ancient "Micronesian" navigation and a sprinkle of Hawaiian knowledge and vocabulary. It would be more honest to call it Modern Day Pacific Navigation. Even Nainoa Thompson said it's not 100% Hawaiian navigation, because it disappeared years ago.
Yes, whatever one wants to claim let them do so as they will or wish. The fact remained that Mau Pialug was from the outer-island of Yap, (Satawal) an island close to Chuuk in the Federated States of Micronesia. In fact Satwal folks speaks real Chuukese language. They could be call Chuukese as well. Anyhow, it is this famous man that made traditional navigation known today. The FSM Government should build a monument for this Man and protect his contributions.
I'm not qualified to discuss traditional navigation in nearly any capacity at all, but I can say for certain that my absolute favorite presentation at the 2018 Micronesian Teachers Education Conference (MTEC) was the presentation on
by Mariano Esu, from Satawal. I took copious notes during his session--about 5,000 words, mostly quotations. "You can call me Sai," he said, near the end.
While I believe some of the attendees were hoping to learn something practical, like something with stars and the phases of the moon, most of the lecture was the philosophy and culture of navigation. I recall Mr. Esu had to get permission from a grandmaster. And I recall--or more accurately, I refer to my notes as I type this--that Mr. Esu emphasized that traditional navigation is not dead, but still very much alive.
"A lot of us are still living. Navigation is still going on. Mau Pialug was not the last navigator..." Mr. Esu said. And he'd give anecdotes, such as some Micronesians who navigated to Okinawa but were forced to declare that they were
because the Japanese...didn't believe them, I guess?
"Navigation is the grammar of man's mobility, and the grammar of social progression," he said. "Local navigation is his social status--it tells the navigator who he is to his family, and to his island community."
One man asked "do you still have traditional navigating schools?" And Mr. Esu advised, "Yes, it's an ongoing agenda...culturally, we do. From Satalwal all the way to Woleai, yes, they do. It's an intrinsic part of the culture. Because it has to be taught, it is a must."
The was about a solid hour spent on various rituals or, more accurately, discussion on the fact that rituals regarding navigation exist. Mr. Esu spoke about a ritual regarding the dissecting of a fish near what I believe he referred to as the seat of wisdom, "on the platform where there are no women on board." I have plenty of notes like this, but I don't have the anthropological background to dig into them. It was repeated many times that he had to get permission from a grandmaster navigator to discuss these things, and that we were only allowed a little piece of any particular thing.
What I took away from it all is that traditional navigation is still very much alive, and plays a profoundly important role in Satawal's culture, including the personal identities of individuals and the group at large.
Have you read the Poll? Its about cultural appropriation, it claims the Hawaiians appropriated the Micronesian art. My point was how can they appropriated it when we and them are the same people? I'm not for PC or political correctness. This poll was created by thr 4th branch. A punch of Micronesian liberals who are in chaminade U in Oahu, Hawaii. No different than saying chuukese are appropriating betel nut chewing from yapese. The Hawaiians and Micros share a same ancestral origin and part of the same family tree.
And no its not 100% Hawaiian navigation since the knowledge its based upon is Yapese/Micro. Their star compass is the same one Mau taught them. The only difference is they replace those Micronesian star names with Hawaiian.
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